Morroblivion

Hmm that is interesting. I could see if the poly count can be lowered. Also, is your computer specs good to run Skyrim with good textures? I haven't noticed any sort of lag with the high res textures on my computer. However it could be the textures which we could fix. I still haven't been able to play around with the meshes yet, I restored my Windows but after using it for about 5 minutes it bsod's. 

Oh ok you should run the hi-res textures easily then. For the morrowind_sk file in Skyrim, do we coc to a cell or has somebody made a plugin that will put you there? 

I'm not sure if a decision has been made or not, but should I start converting over some Oblivion meshes and get a link for that?

Will the DLC Dawnguard be a problem as far as Oblivion convertion is concerned.?

What I mean is that the hieghtmap and landmass of oblivion is being used in that DLC.

If they then do another DLC that uses Morrowind as a base,will that not make us obsolete.?

I think that Beth/Zenimax put those extra landmasses in the first Skyrim release for the reason [proberly] that they intend to use the whole of tamriel [over time] for thier DLC addons,proberly moving the times forward for oblivion and morrowind.

If that is the case [it looks that way] then only those who do not use DLC would use morro_oblivion in skyrim.

I think the crashes you have are caused because of the fact you have very little ram and not that much vram. I know a guy who had the exact same problem as you with almost the same specs (except he had a good graphics card with only 512 mb vram). The crashes stopped when he finally listened and put the graphic a bit lower. I think you should try to play without AA and perhaps put shadows a bit lower as well if you have those things enabled.

Yeah I suppose.  But I finally tweaked my ini to set shadows to ultra-mega-exteme (hardly noticable jagged edges and 0 flickering), so that might be a last resort.  Though I'll definately try no anti-aliasing anyways.  That was never important to me, however right now it is only on 2x and I'm not sure about the improvements that would make.

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Ironman: Could you point me to a link?  I just watched the teaser trailer again to make sure, and there was no mention of Oblivion or Cyrodiil.  As far as I know, no other trailers have been released, and the only confirmed things are crossbows, vampire lords, a realm of oblivion, the Dawnguard, altering faces after game has begun, awesome dragons, and several other things related to the ones I have mentioned.  Could you be refering to elder scrolls online, which will include Cyrodiil?

Alright sounds good, I'll start converting over Oblivion meshes. It shouldn't take that long and I'm looking for some stuff to do.

Shadow thanks for testing them out! I think the stair problem could be fixed pretty easily maybe, as well as the flora. I completely forgot about taking the collision out of meshes that don't need it, I will fix that with another upload. As far as the meshes where the collision extends beyond the actual mesh, that is caused by the reference object during conversion, which will be really easy to fix - just a re-conversion which I will fix in the next upload. Again thanks for testing them out and if you find any others let me know. 

Would it be possible to convert directly the Morrowind (as opposed to Morroblivion) meshes to Skyrim? Maybe Macorn's converter won't result in as many polygon's as the original Morroblivion converter did.

Edit: Nevermind, looking at the Morrowind meshes, the file paths look totally different. So it's probably not worth messing with.

Edit 2: Also, while running around Morrowind, I'm bound in a few minutes to crash to the desktop. My computer definitely is not the best, but I can run Skyrim on Medium fine. This isn't even looking at miscellaneous objects, it's just walking outside. Could it be because of the high textures?

At least it is happening to someone else, although in Morrowind my game has never crashed outside, only in interiors, I just assumed it had to be a lot of misc objects, as those cells without them seem to work fine.  It has to be the textures as my game exhibits the same behavior with the HD DLC, though I tried turning the texture settings to medium, and the game crashed even more frequently.  Perhaps someone with the know how could downscale the textures to see if that helps?

Edit:

I forgot to mention this.  I could also be partially due to textures not working correctly.  I have come across several more pink meshes in various places.  Many others are still apparently missing normal maps as well (at least the Hlaalu architecture is, as that was very easy for me to identify).

The strange thing is that they do have normal maps, at least Morroblivion did, and I copied my textures straight from the complete installation, so they should be present.

One quick problem update:

In chuvakincellduplicate048 one of the dwemer hall meshes is missing.  This one is very widely used, and as far as I know has no unique properties that would prevent a proper conversion, so it was probably just missed when you did the conversion.

http://i49.tinypic.com/avjwgj.jpg

I hope you don't feel overwhelmed by these problems, just keep up the great work!!! I have a feeling I have found most of the issues we are going to find anyways. :)

Besides, even if there are a few more problems you'll have almost a whole week of peace and quiet while I am away from home. :)

Huh I always assumed that was a static.  No activators are converted yet so that is probably why.

So I am 80% sure that the frequent crashes are not due to high-res textures.  I used this,

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/12801

and i still get frequent crashes in Morrowind in the exact same spots, however I downloaded the .bsa files for the HD DLC created by the utility and I achieved much greater stability in Skyrim.  In fact I didn't crash once.  Though my test times were very short, so it could just be a fluke, or I could have messed up the creation of the optimized Morrowind textures.  So I'll do some more tests to make sure.

I don't know that much about the skyrim havok/collision engine, but having looked at a mod few forums it would seem that keeping things as simple as possible is probably a good idea for both performace and stability. So yeah, picking similar items for the colllision would seem like a good idea, even if you only use 3 different ones: such as a book for simple items, a rock for medium and a tree for complex ones. This is assuming that the converter stretches the collision meshes, rather than just scaling them. If it does scale them, someone will eventually have to re-do all the collision meshes eventually anyway.

all meshes is missing the SLSF1_specular shader flag, just so you know :)

and some meshes like the ald ruhn crab shell wont show up ingame

EDIT:

i also noticed that none of the meshes has tangent spaces, or binormals, that

is needed for bump/normal maps, and lighting to function correctly.

Eloth:  So that is why normals do not work.  Thanks for pointing out the problems, and hopefully there are not many more. :)

Unkownone: I hope it would not be too much trouble for you to reconvert the meshes with those changes, or does the converter not even support them?  Thanks for all the work you have done so far, and hopefully this will be the last re-conversion.

Edit:  Is that why most plants and other objects that should have transparencies show a black or white background and do not work correctly?

Eloth - I'll contact Macorn, the creator of the Nif Converter, and ask him if he can put that in his converter. Thank you for pointing this out! Again, great to see you, it's been a while!

We could maybe try to hack the source code ourselves? I don't know C++ but I'll look around. I got the source here. It would be great if he could add it though.

This is weird: I looked at both a Morrowind bottle and a Morroblivion bottle, the same thing, and they both had the same number of polygons. I did it for another pair of bottles, again, one from Morrowind and the equivalent from Morroblivion. They both have the same polygon count. Maybe I just got lucky on those two. But if this is really the case, "unoptimzed" misc objects are not what's screwing us up.

In any case, I'll keep looking.

macorn: your doing this with nifskope? because i havent had any problem like that

Actually, you can change every instance of an object and limit it to a specific worldspace. Creating a copy of the original ID would still be better practice though.